Sunday, 15 October 2017

Rotary Club of Maleny Bulletin for 18th October 2017

"THE RANGE"  Vol. 59 No.7
WEDNESDAY 18th October 2017

THIS WEEK'S MEETING
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Brian Springer on ShelterBox projects. Partners welcome.


APOLOGIES
Apologies to Bernice before noon on Tuesday 17th.

DUTY ROSTERS                       
                         18th Oct        1st Nov            15th Nov                              
Duty Officer      Ric T             Bernice McL    Malcolm B                                    
Assist DO         Rick V           Angela G          Jeff C                          
Registration      CL C             Chris B             Keith R
Fellowship        Melinda M     John W             Bill H  

SAUSAGE SIZZLE ROSTER
21st October
Chris B (Leader) Malcolm B  Volunteer

4th November
Roly N  (Leader)  Andy S  John W

18th November
Jeff C  (Leader)  Angela G  Keith R

MINUTES OF LAST MEETING
Ric Townsend chaired the meeting and welcomed our guests  DG John Lane, ADG Linda Morrell, prospective new member Greg Williams and David's cousin. He then proceeded to set a complicated, multi choice written test on our most important reasons for joining Rotary - answers in three words please.
*Secretary Bernice requested that Youth Declaration Forms to be filled out by all members.
*Jeff C gave a reminder to buy tickets early for the Melbourne Cup Function . The Hinterland Times is to give good publicity for the event.
*Chris B reported that the Interact Club has 14 members attending coffee mornings on Tuesdays. It is going well. A grant application for $20,000 from Andrew Wallace for netball courts to be covered at the school is to be submitted. The cost for covering all the courts is approximately $350,000. The state grant application is in progress.
He also reported on the funeral of our former President Gordon Jones, who had also headed the local  RSL.
*Rick V, who had served with Gordon, spoke of his outstanding achievements during his military career.  Coincidentally he then won the raffle.
* Mercifully the Sergeant's session was both short and sweet.

We then were addressed by DG John Lane who explained that his journey was started by Michael Gregory whose name was on his chain of office.

He had just returned from the Solomon Island and PNG clubs. Very different from ours with 3 or 4 members chatting about Rotary and membership problems. Some highlights were:
Manus are asking for donations for school kindies and also computers.
In Mt Hagen it was election time and oil was poured on the flight runway so no planes could take off or land.
There were fires in houses on Manus Island but no fire engines or any other way to extinguish the fires except by buckets.

He spoke of the need of higher membership numbers to help with administration of the 66 clubs in our District. There has been a loss of 1200 members in 12 months in Australia as a whole. The number of Districts may have to be lowered from 16 to 10-12 by amalgamation. Aging population is of course a contributing factor. However India and Africa have increases in membership numbers.
The governing body of Rotary has made changes to flexibility, to allow clubs to change number of meeting and their format as well as introducing corporate membership.Clubs to be allowed the freedom to do what they need to do still following Rotary principles.

Polio numbers are still decreasing, but still active in Afghanistan and Pakistan. $50 million is needed over the next 3 years to eradicate polio. WHO is committed to assisting eradication of Polio.

He urged club members to log into the internet, Rotary Central, to put forward goals for the year and also enter a record of hours worked on projects to show future partners with Rotary what is contributed.

The Rotary Foundation enables Rotary to do bigger and better projects and has low administration costs.

His wife Helen Bo Morse has as her partner project the Purple Bus.  This vehicle which has Aboriginal paintings covering most of it. It is used to transport Central Australian patients to Alice Springs for dialysis for the many with renal diseases. Nurse Sarah Brown has raised money from selling paintings to enable the purple Bus to have 2 dialysis machines on board so some can be treated without having to travel.

John was thanked by Rick Vickers and was presented with a Platypus bag and one of our calendars.
      
FUTURE MEETINGS & EVENTS
25th October
Masonic Hall at 5:30 for 6:00pm for Club Assembly.

1st November
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Adria, our YEP Student.

8th November
Board Meeting at the Masonic Hall.

15th November
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with our own CL and a Shed The Light update.

WEDDING ANNIVERSARY FOR OCTOBER
26th Rick and Cilla

BIRTHDAYS FOR OCTOBER
12th Gloria Rogers  14th Keith Rogers  16th Kerry Neiper  28th Bernice McLennan  30th Andy Schouteten

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT
FURTHER PROBLEMS FOR THE ELDERLY
1. A NURSE REPORTS FROM HOSPITAL

Hospital regulations require a wheel chair for patients being discharged. However, while working as a student nurse, I found one elderly gentleman already
dressed and sitting on the bed with a suitcase at his feet, who insisted he didn't need my help to leave the hospital.

After a chat about rules being rules, he reluctantly let me wheel him to the lift.

On the way down I asked him if his wife was meeting him.

'I don't know,' he said. 'She's still upstairs in the bathroom changing out of her hospital gown.'

2. A DOCTOR REPORTS

Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the doctor to get a physical.

A few days later, the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with a gorgeous young woman on his arm.

A couple of days later, the doctor spoke to Morris and said, 'You're really doing great, aren't you?'

Morris replied, 'Just doing what you said, Doc: 'Get a hot mamma and be cheerful.'
'
The doctor said, 'I didn't say that. I said, 'You've got a heart murmur; be careful.'




Sunday, 1 October 2017

Rotary Club of Maleny Bulletin for 4th October 2017


"THE RANGE"  Vol. 59 No.6
WEDNESDAY 4th October 2017

THIS WEEK'S MEETING
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm for DG's Official Visit - Partners welcome.

APOLOGIES
Apologies to Bernice before noon on Tuesday 3rd.

DUTY ROSTERS                       
                            4th Oct             18th Oct                               
Duty Officer         Jim A                Ric T                                
Assist DO            Robin H            Rick V                          
Registration        John McL          CL C
Fellowship           Keith R             Melinda M  

SAUSAGE SIZZLE ROSTER
14th October
Mike and Sherryl Gregory (Leader)  Chris Ross-Smith

28th October
ANO  Phillip Stark  Malcolm B

MINUTES OF LAST MEETING
With President Alan at another service club event, Jim chaired the meeting and welcomed guests. Chris reported that he represented the club on the support committee for TS Centaur. A requirement for the group is to have community support in their operation. Chris also reported that the Interact Club is going well with 22-25 members attending meetings. They are looking at a succession plan for the teacher support to continue the great work that Fran has done with  the Interact Club over the years.

Jim reported that three members had worked on the car parking at the community tree planting at the Community Precinct on Sunday 17 September. Three other members were engaged in the planting which was in the wetland area east of the Light-horse Museum.

Guest speaker for the night was Alan Still from the Maleny Weather Station. Alan explained that he had moved from Brisbane to Elimbah before coming to Maleny in 2015. Meteorology is his hobby, while computing and specifically, designing and building websites, is his occupation. He started his presentation with a lesson on Meteorology 101. He said that weather had 4 ingredients - Moisture, Temperature, Wind and Pressure. He compared this to the 4 Ingredients cookbook.

“Combine these and you can cook up a storm” he said. He described the detailed Maleny weather records kept since 1893, and sent around a few laminated sheets of historical data for our interest. He paid tribute to the late Patrick Stacey who had recorded weather at the Maleny Weather Station in Tamarind Street, since the 1980’s.

Alan, with two other Maleny residents Mal and David, has set about creating the Maleny Weather website at www.malenywx.com . It is a comprehensive and highly interactive website which was launched in June 2017. Alan unpacked the features and sections of the website for us. There are sections on the weather station itself, and the number of reports it can calculate and display, as well as short and long term weather forecasts on the ‘weather’ tab. Other sections include climate, astronomy - Alan said weather and astronomy go hand in hand, as well as history of the weather station.


Members are encouraged to check the site out to see the full range of information it contains, which is very amazing since the site has only been operational such a short time.

Alan concluded his presentation with descriptions of the four basic cloud forms, cloud forecasting, and he showed us some images of weird cloud examples. It was an interesting talk, and Alan and his team are to be congratulated for their enthusiasm and endeavours to create the website which will prove to be a valuable community resource.

Sherryl gave the vote of thanks.
       
FUTURE MEETINGS & EVENTS
11th October
Board Meeting at the Masonic Hall.

18th October 
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker TBC.

25th October
Masonic Hall at 5:30 for 6:00pm for Club Assembly.

1st November
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker TBC.

WEDDING ANNIVERSARY FOR OCTOBER
26th Rick and Cilla

BIRTHDAYS FOR OCTOBER
12th Gloria Rogers  14th Keith Rogers  16th Kerry Neiper  28th Bernice McLennan  30th Andy Schouteten

 ROTARIANS AT WORK
Our roving reporter caught this action shot on the Bruce Highway


 AND NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT
THIS OUGHT TO  MAKE ALL GRANDPAS FEEL WARM & FUZZY !!!

With apologies in advance to our Lady Members.
  













A six year old goes to the hospital with her grandmother to visit her Grandpa.

When they get to the hospital, she runs ahead of her Grandma and bursts into her Grandpa's room.

"Grandpa, Grandpa," she says excitedly, "As soon as Grandma comes into the room, make a noise like a frog!"

"What?" said her Grandpa.

"Make a noise like a frog!"

"Why?" asked her Grandpa.

"Because Grandma said that, as soon as you croak, we’re all going to Disney Land!”


Tuesday, 19 September 2017

Porters Lane Community Wetland Planting 17 September 2017



The Rotary Club of Maleny was proud to participate in this event on a beautiful Sunday morning in the Precinct.


















Saturday, 16 September 2017

Rotary Club of Maleny Bulletin for 20th September 2017

"THE RANGE"  Vol. 59 No.5
WEDNESDAY 20th September 2017

THIS WEEK'S MEETING
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Alan Still on the Maleny Weather Station.

APOLOGIES
Apologies to Bernice before noon on Tuesday 19th.

DUTY ROSTERS                       
                           20th Sep        4th Oct        18th Oct                         
Duty Officer        Chris B          Jim A           Ric T                                
Assist DO           Sherryl G       Robin H      Rick V                          
Registration        Andy S          Bill H           CL C
Fellowship          Phillip S         John McL    Melinda M  

SAUSAGE SIZZLE ROSTER
23rd September
Jeff Cornfoot  (Leader)  Keith Rogers  Ric Townsend

7th October
Mike and Sherryl Gregory (Leader)  Chris Ross-Smith

MINUTES OF LAST MEETING
President Alan opened the meeting welcoming everyone with a special welcome to Barry Smith from the Maleny Neighbourhood Centre and our guest speaker for the  night Russ Stephenson. Our exchange student Adria also attended the meeting.

A quick bit of Rotary trivia from Alan tested Mike Gregory’s knowledge regarding the introduction of coloured jackets for DGs at the Annual RI Conference.  I think Mike came out on top but someone will have to confiscate the information booklet from Alan!

Barry Smith found out he had been invited to the meeting by CL under false pretences when President Alan presented him with a Paul Harris Fellow medal and certificate for his significant support for the Maleny Neighbourhood Centre, having been a Board member for many years, and now Treasurer. He was instrumental in ensuring the Centre had government support. Barry is also a recognised artist/sculptor in Maleny, designing the iron covered way and ceiling at the IGA.

A quick Sergeant's session from Chris saw Jeff Cornfoot finally fined for losing the gas bottle which everyone searched for, over many weeks. Russ Stephenson won the raffle and promptly bought two calendars.  This year's calendars have now gone on sale around Maleny.

Our guest speaker Russ Stephenson is a long serving member of the Rotary Club of Nambour. Russ was a plant researcher in the former DPI working in the tree crops area particularly macadamia nuts. Since retiring 3-4 years ago he has been developing a project for Rotary District 9600 in Food Plant Solutions, to tackle malnutrition in PNG.

Malnutrition is one of the world’s greatest challenges, with one in three people affected and the cause of half the deaths in infants. The early years of child hood, one to five years, are critical to the development of the child, but what is often misunderstood is that 90% of a child’s brain development occurs before birth. The aim of the project is to help affected communities know the food value of their local foods to optimise their diet and focus on improving pregnant mothers diet, breast feeding of babies for longer, and improved diets for babies.

The program is being implemented in the Mougulu district in PNG, an area with infertile soils which experienced severe drought in 2015-16. There are approx 28,800 people in the area who are very poor with an income of less than $10/year and virtually no roads into or out of the district. The typical diet consists of bananas with no dairy or animal protein, low energy, low protein, and low fat/oils. More corn and coconut is needed in the diet to improve the nutritive value.

Implementation of the program requires considerable social change to understand the need for different foods to improve the development and health of children and give them a better life. The program will require about $A 67,000 and nearly half has been raised to date.

Angela extended a vote of thanks with the very apt words “we have had a very enriching program tonight”.
       
FUTURE MEETINGS & EVENTS
27th September
Masonic Hall at 5:30 for 6:00pm for Club Assembly.

4th October
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm for DG's Official Visit - Partners welcome.

11th October
Board Meeting at the Masonic Hall.

18th October 
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker TBC.

WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES FOR SEPTEMBER
4th John & Bernice McLennan  18th Andy & Mia Schouteten  28th Keith & Gloria Rogers

BIRTHDAY FOR SEPTEMBER
17th Judi Ross-Smith 29th Mia Schouteten

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT
A COMMUNITY SERVICE REPORT

THE HAIRCUT...

Blessed are those that can give without remembering, and take without forgetting.

One day a florist went to a barber for a haircut.

After the cut, he asked about his bill, and the barber replied, 'I cannot accept money from you, I'm doing community service this week.'

The florist was pleased and left the shop.

When the barber went to open his shop the next morning, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you, I'm doing
community service this week.'

The cop was happy and left the shop.

The next morning when the barber went to open up, there was a 'thank you ' card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

Then a Member of Parliament came in for a haircut, and when he went to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.'

The Member of Parliament was very happy and left the shop.

The next morning, when the barber went to open up, there were a dozen Members of Parliament lined up waiting for a free haircut.

And that would appear to illustrate a fundamental difference between the citizens of our country and the politicians who run it.






Friday, 1 September 2017

Rotary Club of Maleny Bulletin for 6th September 2017

"THE RANGE"  Vol. 59 No.4
WEDNESDAY 6th September 2017

THIS WEEK'S MEETING
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Russ Stephenson on Malnutrition in PNG.

APOLOGIES
Apologies to Jeff C before noon on Tuesday 5th.

DUTY ROSTERS                       
                           6th Sep          20th Sep         4th Oct                             
Duty Officer        Roly N           Chris B            Jim A                      
Assist DO           Angela G       Sherryl G        Robin H                          
Registration        Lionel T         Andy S            Bill H
Fellowship          Jeff C             Phillip S          John McL  

SAUSAGE SIZZLE ROSTER
9th September
Jim Atkinson  (Leader)  Chris Ross-Smith  Rick Vickers

23rd September
Jeff Cornfoot  (Leader)  Keith Rogers  Ric Townsend  

MINUTES OF LAST MEETING
President Alan opened the meeting by welcoming our guests – guest speaker Susan Griffith, YEP inbound student Adria from Lloret de Mar Spain and Kate Huth accompanied by her parents. 


Malcolm introduced Adria more fully and banners were exchanged.  It seems that Lloret is a popular honeymoon spot! 

Jim introduced Kate whom the Club sponsored to a Science Summer School in 1994 and YEP to Denmark in 1997.  Since then Kate has been active in Apex rising to National President in 2013 and World President last year, teaching English as a second language in Indonesia and Italy and, currently teaching Indonesian  in Albany, WA.  She has applied for a Rotary Peace Fellowship in Education and Curriculum Development in either USA or Sweden.

Michael reported that he had secured a high profile speaker, Kim Kirkman, founder and musical director of the Ten Tenors, as guest speaker but the only date  he is available is 14 December which is a Thursday.  Club members agreed that we would change the day of our regular meeting that week and endeavour to maximise attendance.

Keith introduced our Guest speaker Susan Griffith – manager and trainer at Lifelines’ Maroochydore Office.  Lifeline was established in the sixties by Reverend Dr Alan Walker as a means to support those who were isolated and had no one to turn to for assistance in times of need.  The need was great and Lifeline quickly expanded to the national organisation we know today with its well-known phone number of 13 11 14.  Except for the critical timeframe of 2200 to  0400 their phone line is staffed mostly by volunteers 24/7 and they also have online chat and are developing a texting option.  They also offer face to face consultations and educational workshops. 

Their vision is an Australia free of suicide, to provide support in times of crisis and to make communities safer.  They do not judge or offer solutions but rather help their callers to reach their own recovery plan.  They receive over a million calls a year which  equates to around 3,000 a day and 5% are at high risk of suicide.  They are able to trace the high risk calls and alert police and ambulance.

Males over 85  are the highest at risk group followed by the 25-50 group and the need in our area is increasing!  Nationally in 2015 there were 3,027 suicides, around 6,000 more attempted and a further 1.2 million thought about it!  This is twice the number of road  deaths and four times the number of murders. 



Susan then shared with us a couple of emotional stories about people saved by her organisation, one of whom  had appeared on Australian Story on the ABC.  Lifeline is mainly funded by Uniting Care Community Shops but Government funds their head office and they  receive government grants to fund the paid employees who staff the overnight shift.  Volunteers receive 12 months of training and have to pass crisis  support, assist, and assessment gateways – they can start attending calls after 12 weeks under supervision.

Michael thanked Susan for her excellent presentation, explained the work that our Australian Rotary Health is doing in the area of mental health research  and our own support of the Maleny Neighbourhood Centre and Low Cost Housing and presented her with the iconic Maleny Bag containing Rotary information.         

 FUTURE MEETINGS & EVENTS
13th September
Board Meeting at the Masonic Hall.

20th September
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Alan Still on the Maleny Weather Station.

27th September
Masonic Hall at 5:30 for 6:00pm for Club Assembly.

4th October
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm for DG's Visit - Partners welcome.

WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES FOR SEPTEMBER
4th John & Bernice McLennan  18th Andy & Mia Schouteten  28th Keith & Gloria Rogers

BIRTHDAY FOR SEPTEMBER
17th Judi Ross-Smith 29th Mia Schouteten

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT
ADVICE FOR SENIOR CITIZENS

FIRST DAY AT THE SENIOR COMPLEX.

 

On her first day at the senior complex, the new manager addressed all the seniors pointing out some of her rules:
                      
“The female sleeping quarters will be out-of-bounds for all males, and the male dormitory to the females.”

“Anybody caught breaking this rule will be fined $20 the first time.”

She continued, “Anybody caught breaking this rule the second time will be fined $60.

Being caught a third time will cost you a fine of $180.”

“Are there any questions?”

At this point, an older gentleman stood up in the crowd inquired:

“How much for a season pass?”




Thursday, 10 August 2017

Rotary Club of Maleny Bulletin for 16th August 2017

"THE RANGE"  Vol. 59 No.3
WEDNESDAY 16th August 2017

THIS WEEK'S MEETING
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Susan Griffith on SafeTalk (Lifeline).

APOLOGIES
Apologies to Bernice before noon on Tuesday 15th.

DUTY ROSTERS                       
                            16th August          6th September                     
Duty Officer         John W                 Roly N                      
Assist DO            Michael G             Angela G                                  
Registration         Robin H                Lionel T  
Fellowship           David F                Jeff C            

SAUSAGE SIZZLE ROSTER
26th August
Chris Brooker  (Leader)  Angela Griffin  John Whan

9th September
Jim Atkinson  (Leader)  Chris Ross-Smith  Rick Vickers   

MINUTES OF LAST MEETING
As the President, Alan Wilson, was unwell the meeting was chaired by IPP Jeff Cornfoot.  Following the usual opening formalities Jeff welcomed members with special mention of those returning from a lengthy trip away Angela, Sheryl and Michael. Our Guest Speaker, Judy Stubbs from the Queensland Country Woman’s Association (QWCA) was introduced and welcomed. Judy was accompanied by QCWA member Cynthia Daniels.

Jeff gave a brief overview of the Queensland Cross Country Championships held at the Maleny Golf Club last Saturday. Club members supervised the car parking and were able to raise $486 in donations from a generous public. Next year the Australian Cross Country Championships will be held at the Golf Club over 3 days and we hope to be involved in that. With around 1200 entrants and an estimated 4000 visitors it will be a major event for the Maleny community.

The publicity for the 2017 Melbourne Cup Day fundraising lunch is well underway and we are hoping, indeed expecting it to be another very successful event.

Secretary Bernice presented a letter from Velothon Sunshine Coast thanking club members for their support and offering $400 for our efforts. The event will be held again in 2018.

CL asked for members to consider volunteering as mentors to students at the Maleny Primary School and briefed us on the process and benefits to the students.

Members were relieved to note that the Sergeant was absent and having been saved from frivolous fines we fed the Polio Pig instead. Phillip won the scratch-it prize of $25.

After dinner the Duty Officer, Jim introduced our guest speaker Judy Stubbs from the Maleny branch of the QCWA. The QCWA was formed in Qld in 1922 with a national  group being formed in 1928. The first QCWA cookbook was published in Bundaberg 1928 and the funds raised used to establish a hostel for boys from the ‘bush’.

Recognising the need in the community for a healthier diet the QCWA has commenced a program called Country Kitchens and with support from dieticians and Queensland Health they have produced a “Healthy Cookbook”. To support this initiative they have trained ‘facilitators’ to take the program into the community. The primary focus is on education with a particular emphasis on children.

Judy challenged the meeting as to whether we ate 5 serves of vegetables and 2 pieces of fruit a day. A number of catch phrases for healthy living were mentioned including: “a meal should be 50% vegetables,25% protein and 25% carbohydrates”, “sit less move more” and “cook at home”.

As the local facilitator of the QWCA Country Kitchens program Judy is available and keen to present it to local organisations.  Judy was thanked by the ADO Jeff.

FUTURE MEETINGS & EVENTS
23rd August
Masonic Hall at 5:30 for 6:00pm for Club Assembly.

30th August
TBA

6th September
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker Russ Stephenson on Malnutrition in PNG.

13th September
Board Meeting at the Masonic Hall.

20th September
Maleny Hotel at 6:30 for 7:00pm with Guest Speaker TBA.

WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES FOR AUGUST
15th  Phillip and Janice Stark  29th Angela and Mike

BIRTHDAYS FOR AUGUST
17th Malcolm Baker  20th Jocelyn Brooker  28th Mary Wilson and Lionel Tilley

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT
A BENEFICIAL MEDICAL OUTCOME

A PSYCHIATRIST VS A BARTENDER

 A little something to ponder …..




Ever since I was a child, I've always had a fear of someone under my bed at night.  So I went to a shrink and told him:

"I've got problems.  Every time I go to bed I think there's somebody under it.  I'm scared.  I think I'm going crazy."

“Just put yourself in my hands for one year," said the shrink.

“Come talk to me three times a week, and we should be able to get rid of those fears.”

"How much do you charge?” 

“One hundred and fifty dollars per visit", replied the doctor.

“I'll sleep on it", I said.

Six months later the doctor met me on the street.

“Why didn't you come to see me about those fears you were having”, he asked.

“Well, $150 a visit, three times a week for a year, is $23,400.00."






A bartender cured me for $10.00. I was so happy to have saved all that money that I went and bought a new pick-up truck.”   

“Is that so?” 

With a bit of an attitude he said, "And how, may I ask, did a bartender cure you?"   

“He told me to cut the legs off the bed.  Ain't nobody under there now.”   

THE LESSON FROM THIS STORY IS …..

IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO GET A SECOND OPINION!